Download Mail Order Zombie #186 here!

Brother D takes a short movie-watching-and-reviewing break in Episode 186 of Mail Order Zombie, but that leaves room for a book review from Silent Death when he visits Dust by Joan Frances Turner.  Need-a-Nickname Scott dips his toes into the news with the Zombie Beat, Don Coscarelli tells us a bit about John Dies at the End and we go back to Crypticon Seattle for the panel "Zombies Can’t Run & Vampires Don’t Sparkle: The Psychology of Why We Argue Over What Fictional Things Can Or Can’t Do" with Eloise J. Knapp, Chris Saint, Steve Holetz, and Michael Montoure (with Brother D moderating).  Miss Bren does her best to keep everyone on track during the Feedback Discussion, and the band H2Awesome! swings by with the song "Carl, Stay in the House."

INTRO (00:00)
ZOMBIE BEAT (03:35)
DON COSCARELLI (10:23)
DUST (12:52)
FEEDBACK (17:48)
CARL, DON'T GO IN THE HOUSE (52:05)
PANEL (54:13)

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ComiCONN Comic Book and SciFi Convention - http://comiconn.com/

Eloise J. Knapp - http://www.eloisejknapp.com/
Michael Montoure - http://www.bloodletters.com/
Chris Saint - http://twistedgeeks.wordpress.com/
Steve Holetz - http://bonehand.com/BoneBat.html

John Dies at the End - http://johndies.com/
I Am Alone - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/abstractforces/i-am-alone
Joan Frances Turner (author of Dust) - http://www.joanfrancesturner.com/

H2Awesome! - http://www.h2awesomemusic.com
H2Awesome! on Bandcamp - http://h2awesomemusic.bandcamp.com

Kisses & Chaos interview with Isaac Marion - http://kissesandchaos.com/2012/07/05/the-same-7-with-author-isaac-marion/

The Walking Dead invades theme parks for Halloween- http://www.insidethemagic.net/2012/07/the-walking-dead-to-invade-halloween-horror-nights-2012-in-new-haunted-house-unleashing-zombies-on-universal-orlando-and-hollywood/
World War Z new audio book- http://www.facebook.com/WorldWarZ


(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod.)

Download Mail Order Zombie #183 here!

Four score and a freakshow ago, Mail Order Zombie brought forth two more zombie movie reviews in Episode 183 of Mail Order Zombie.  Brother D visits the sideshow when he reviews Freakshow Apocalypse: The Unholy Sideshow (dir. Matthew Broomfield), then revisits one of his favorite sub-sub-sub-genres: zombie Civil War stores with a review of Abraham Lincoln vs. Zombies (dir. Richard Schenkman).  There's more than movie reviews in this MOZ episode, though.  Markus Taylor, the man behind the zombie known as Cheese from the zombie movie DeadHeads (dir. Brett Pierce & Drew T. Pierce), drops by for an interview about his work in DeadHeads, his other projects and the upcoming DeadHeads Cheese prequel.  Devil Dinosaur, Jr., from the Dread Media podcast gives us a review of the novel Ladies Night by Jack Ketchum.  And we start our recounting Seattle Crypticon 2012 when we chat with writers Gareth Wood and Jessica Meigs.  After the Feedback with Miss Bren (which includes a very special announcement!), we have a recording of the panel "Zombies: Why the F@!$ Won't They Die?!" with panelists John Skipp (moderator), Scott Baker, Craig DiLouie, Gareth Wood, Derek M. Koch, Rick Reeves, Mark Rahner.

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INTRO (00:00)
FREAKSHOW APOCALYPSE (02:11)
BOUND IN DEATH (07:02)
GARETH WOOD (12:01)
LADIES NIGHT (15:20)
MARKUS TAYLOR (23:58)
ABRAHAM LINCOLN VS. ZOMBIES (56:44)
JESSICA MEIGS (1:11:14)
FEEDBACK (1:15:18)
CRYPTICON PANEL (1:47:57)

Granny and the Hole - http://tinyurl.com/grannyzombiehttp://tinyurl.com/grannyzombie

DeadHeads prequel featuring Cheese - http://www.indiegogo.com/deadheads
Markus Taylor - http://www.markus-taylor.com/

Gareth Wood - http://permutedpress.wikia.com/wiki/Gareth_Wood
Jessica Meigs - http://becomingzombies.com/

Dread Media - http://www.dread-media.com/
Bound in Death - Indiegogo - http://www.indiegogo.com/boundindeath
Van Con - http://www.vanconshow.com/
Devon Devereaux - http://www.devondevereaux.com/
Dark's Art Parlour - http://darksartparlour.com/issue1.html

(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod.)

Alternate cover for Episode 183:

 

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode #170.5 here!



Need-a-Nickname Scott & Tracey bring us another recording from the Famous Monsters of Filmland from earlier this year. This time around, they bring us the panel devoted to the Dead Letter Award-winning documentary Autopsy of the Dead. If you listen closely, you'll get to hear Scott even ask the panel a question or two (but, oddly enough, he doesn't ask about the naked zombie - go figure). Also, Professor Chad is back with a new Zombie Aptitude Test question for the MOZ Family.



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The Dead Infested by Edward J. Russell - http://www.thedeadinfested.com



Autopsy of the Dead - http://www.livingdeaddocumentary.com/



(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod.)

Download MOZ Presents: The Monthly Munchies #3 here!

In this episode of MOZ Presents: The Monthly Munchies, Brother D responds to a voicemail he didn't get a chance to address last month before taking a look at the movies Ninjas Versus Vampires (dir. Justin Timpane) and Burn, Witch, Burn! (dir. Sidney Hayers). Also, thanks to Need-a-Nickname Scott and She-Doesn't-Need-a-Nickname Tracey, we have a recording from the Q&A session Men Behind the Mask from the July 2011 Days of the Dead convention.

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Palavr.com Forums - http://palavr.com/forum.php/

Ninjas Versus Vampires - http://ninjasvsvampires.com/
Days of the Dead - http://www.daysofthedead.net/

(Production music provided by Wrath from Death on Call Productions - http://www.youtube.com/ruggsvillecounty)

Download Mail Order Zombie #167.5 here!

We're dipping back into the Crypticon well with Episode 167.5 of Mail Order Zombie. This week, Brother D presents a recording from the Zombies! panel. It was a sort of free-for-all panel that took place Saturday night across the hall from the Saturday night loud-music-and-booze-filled party, so it sounds like there's a LOT more excitement happening in the room than they might have really been. Or not. Listen, and you decide. On the panel were Brother D, Eric Pope, Reverend en Fugue, Steven J. Holetz, Timothy W. Long and Mark Rahner.

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Download Mail Order Zombie #164.5 here!

Go back to May 2011 with Brother D and Miss Bren to the panel 'Zombie or Not?' where they were joined by Mark Rahner (Rotten) and wrestler Ronnie Angel to argue . . . um . . . discuss what makes a zombie/zombie movie at Crypticon Seattle 2011.

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Rotten Comics - http://www.rottencomics.com/

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 163.5 here!

Brother D and Miss Bren and getting ready for Crypticon Seattle 2011, and while they're getting ready to participate in a few panels in Seattle, The Matt Hatter takes you back to Atlanta for a panel from Dragon*Con 2010. Writers S. M. Stirling, Michael Z. Williamson, Christopher Golden, Scott Sigler and Dead Letter Award-winner Jonathan Maberry participate in the Writer's Apocalyptic Super Panel where they discuss their books, their unique approaches to the apocalypse (post- and otherwise), zombies, epidemics, Homeland Security and alien invasions.

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Seattle Crypticon 2011 - http://www.crypticonseattle.com/

(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod.)

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 161.5 here!

Brother D sneaks in two zombie movie reviews (2005's Red State, dir. Jeremiah Lewis, and Zombie Psycho STHLM, dir. Micke Engström) after Miss Bren helps him announce the winners of the Robert R. Best and Edward J. Russell book contests but before a recording from Dragon*Con 2010. MOZ Family Member The Matt Hatter attended the panel "How to Pimp Your Zombie" and we owe him a HUGE thanks for sharing the panel with Mail Order Zombie!

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Zombie Psycho Stockholm - http://tinyurl.com/zombiesthlm

Fringe Blog - http://www.fringeblog.com/
Red State - http://tinyurl.com/fringeredstate

Download Mail Order Zombie #158.5 here!

While the Mail Order Zombie crew recovers from last week's Dead Letter Awards, why don't you sit back and enjoy a chat with Zombie Number One? The movie River of Darkness is hitting DVD shelves at the end of March, and playing against type in the movie is Bill Hinzman, who joined Derek for a discussion about the movie as well as his role in zombiedom. After this interview, we go back in time to 2008 to join Jonathan Maberry, Dennis Tafoya, Edward Pettit and Tony Finan for a panel discussion about our favorite subject. (This panel was conducted when Maberry's Zombie CSU: The Forensics of the Living Dead was hitting shelves, and was recorded by The Matt Hatter.) And remember - we're still accepting answers for the current Zombie Aptitude Question!

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Bill Hinzman, Night of the Living Dead's Zombie Number One - http://zombie1.com/

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 154.5 here!

Thanks to MOZ Family Member Flitzer of the Dead, we have a recording from Das Weekend of Horrors which took place in Bottrop, Germany in November 2010. This question-and-answer session features one of our favorite cousins - Tom Savini. Flitzer of the Dead worked with Sebastion from the website GruselSeite.com to provide this audio.

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Download Mail Order Zombie #153.5 here!

The time? April 3, 2010, 3pm. The place? Norwescon 33. The panel? "Zombies: Origin of the Species." The panelists? Steven Barnes, The Reverend En Fuego, Mark Rahner. The moderator? Derek M. Koch (aka Brother D).

Open nominations for the 2010 Dead Letter Awards - http://tinyurl.com/2010dlanoms

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(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod.)

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 150 here!

The classic Romero film Day of the Dead is the topic dejour of Episode 150 of Mail Order Zombie (as is Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)! Miss Bren finally sat down to watch the third film in the ...Dead franchise (it's the fourth ...Dead film she's watched, fifth if you count Shaun..., but that's not really a Romero film so nevermind!), and she joins Brother D to discuss the movie. Brother D resurrects the review he produced of the film's soundtrack album (from way back in Episode 53), and Need-a-Nickname Scott - when he's not dishing the news in the Zombie Beat - takes a look at the original screenplay for the film. A few friends of the show and Mail Order Zombie Family Members also call in their thoughts on the film. And because Brother D both called Miss Bren's bluff and had his own bluff called, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs also gets the Mail Order Zombie treatment (and the Family Movie Night podcast helped out with that!). After the Feedback Discussion (was that . . . Honeydew . . . ?), we'll flash black to this past summer's Famous Monsters of Filmland Convention for the Day of the Dead panel (featuring Mark Tierno, Terry Alexander, Gary Klar, Joe Pilato, Michael Gornick; moderated by Billy Graham) courtesy of Need-a-Nickname Scott and his wife Tracey.

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Palavr.com Forums - http://palavr.com/forum.php/

Dread Media - http://www.dread-media.com/
Disney, Indiana - http://disneyindiana.com/
Paleo-Cinema Podcast and Blog - http://paleo-cinema.blogspot.com/

Original Day of the Dead script - http://www.homepageofthedead.com/films/day/script.html

Famous Monsters of Filmland Convention - http://www.famousmonstersconvention.com/

Harold's Gone Stiff - http://www.stiffmovie.com/
Interview with writer/director Keith Wright - http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=17386
Harold's Gone Stiff Trailer - http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/41301/rigor-mortis-sets-and-harolds-going-stiff
Juan of the Dead films in Cuba - http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/entertainment/a/-/entertainment/8456535/flesh-eating-zombies-attack-havana/
Gale Anne Hurd on Frank Darabont firing The Walking Dead writers - http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/12/03/walking-dead-darabont-hurd-writers/
Robert Kirkman on Frank Darabont firing The Walking Dead writers - http://www.tvguide.com/News/Walking-Dead-Writing-Staff-1026363.aspx
The Walking Dead ratings - http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/news/cable-tv/e3i2878352c385d4321afc04ccebcd70413
Charlie Sheen in The Walking Dead? - http://socyberty.com/people/charlie-sheen-to-play-zombie-in-amcs-the-walking-dead/
Gale Ann Hurd denies Sheen - http://www.horror-movies.ca/horror_19646.html
Robert Kirkman talks The Walking Dead Season Two - http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/12/07/walking-dead-finale-kirkman/
World War Z free at Audible.com - http://www.americanconsumernews.com/2010/12/download-a-free-audiobook-of-world-war-z-an-oral-history-of-the-zombie-war-from-audible-com-2.html
Zombie Accountant game - http://goingloudstudios.com/games/zombie-accountant/

(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod)

Download Episode 132.5 here!

It's a Sunday surprise! In Episode 132.5 of Mail Order Zombie, Brother D interviews Lyle Perez-Tinics about the upcoming zombie anthology The Undead That Saved Christmas. Also, we have another panel from Crypticon Seattle 2010; Brother D moderates a panel called Remaking Romero, and he was joined by Mark Rahner, S. G. Browne and Chris Martens. In this episode, we also reveal the name of the next movie in MOZ's month-long look at Asian zombie movies, and we have a very special voicemail from Deadfinger.

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Deadfinger on eBay - http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/mastergoldfinger/

The Undead That Saved Christmas - http://tinyurl.com/undeadchristmas/
The Undead That Saved Christmas on Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/undeadchristmasfb/

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 131.5 here!

The place? Famous Monsters Convention 2010. The panel? The Return of the Living Dead.








Famous Monsters Convention - http://www.famousmonstersconvention.com/
Famous Monsters Convention Forum - http://famousmonstersoffilmlandforum.com/index.php?board=3.0/

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 130 here!

While some are having a grand ol' time at Comic-Con, y'all have a great time with Episode 130 of Mail Order Zombie! This week, Need-a-Nickname Scott and Tracey wrap up their coverage of the recent Famous Monsters Convention, and thanks to their hard work, you'll get to sit in on the Dawn of the Dead panel from the con. Plus, they interview the filmmakers behind the upcoming The Amateur Monster Movie. In non-con content, Brother D reviews the movie Redneck Carnage from director Johnno Zee and the novel Bijou of the Dead from Robert Freese. There's a contest, the Zombie Aptitude Test Question, some Housekeeping, your Feedback . . . Make those Comic-Con goers jealous by listening to Mail Order Zombie right NOW!

Famous Monsters Convention - http://www.famousmonstersconvention.com/
Famous Monsters Convention Forum - http://famousmonstersoffilmlandforum.com/index.php?board=3.0/

Robert Freese - http://www.robertfreese.com/

The Living Dead Festival - http://www.thelivingdeadfest.com/

World Made By Hand - http://www.worldmadebyhand.com/
Trickster Moon Productions - http://www.trickstermoon.com/

Vote for Deadlands 2: Trapped for audience choice at WMIFF - http://wmiff.com/?q=movies%2Fvote-peoples-choice-film/
World War X vs World War Z - http://io9.com/5589286/will-warner-brothers-futuristic-terrorism-film-world-war-x-film-before-world-war-z/
Michael Madsen in Infected - http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021462.html?categoryid=1043&cs=1/
Infected Home Page - http://www.verdicorrenteproductions.com/Infected.html/
Robert R. Best's Ashton Memorial - https://www.createspace.com/3463839/
The Saddest Little Zombie by Douglas Clegg - http://www.scribd.com/doc/34652126/Zombie-Preview/
MTV News visits The Walking Dead - http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1643961/20100719/story.jhtml/
Be a Zombie in Season Two of The Walking Dead - http://sweeps.amctv.com/thewalkingdead/
Pop Cap Announces Plants vs Zombies for XBOX Live Arcade - http://popcap.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=159/
Plants vs Zombies achievement listing - http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/plants-vs-zombies/achievements/
Zombrex Dead Rising Sun release dates - http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/706262/Zombrex-Dead-Rising-Sun-Release-Schedule-Announced.html/
Dead Rising 2: Zombrex Edition - http://www.capcom-unity.com/jgonzo/blog/2010/07/15/dead_rising_2_zombrex_edition_revealed_for_north_america!/
Queen Mary Zombie Banned - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7887618/London-Dungeon-advert-showing-Queen-Mary-I-as-zombie-banned.html/
Zombie porn banned at Melbourne International Film Festival - http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/gay-zombie-porn-gets-festival-flick-20100720-10jls.html/

(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod)

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 129 here!

With apologies to those looking forward to the scheduled review of Redneck Carnage, we apologize. The review of this movie has been pushed back a week; instead, Brother D and Miss Bren discuss End Transmission from co-directors Jason Impey and Kemal Yildirum. Dr. J is back with a new installment of Dr. J's Med of the Dead (in which he assures us K. K. is doing well!), and Need-a-Nickname Scott and Tracey? They spent last weekend at the first Famous Monsters Convention, and in this first of two installments of their convention report, they break down some of the panels they attended, they interview actor Sal Lizard, talk about artist Sam Flegal and point us all in the direction of The Zombie Rights Campaign.

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The Official Jason Impey Home Page - http://www.jasonimpey.co.uk/

The Zombie Rights Campaign - http://zombierightscampaign.org/
Sam Flegal - http://www.samflegal.com/
Sal Lizard - http://www.sallizard.com/
Famous Monsters Convention - http://www.famousmonstersconvention.com/
Famous Monsters of Filmland Forum - http://famousmonstersoffilmlandforum.com/index.php?board=3.0/

Zombie car accident in Portland - http://www.kgw.com/news/Car-accident-victims-dressed-like-zombies-confuse-crash-witnesses-98157894.html/
Plants Vs. Zombies 2 - http://www.platformnation.com/2010/07/11/plants-vs-zombies-2-the-zombies-are-coming-2nd-august/
New viral site for Dead Rising 2 - http://www.TapeItOrDie.com/
Dead Rising 2 Outbreak Edition details - http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/09/dead-rising-2-outbreak-pack-staggering-to-europe-capcom-not/
Zombies Coming to Red Dead Redemption - http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article//6781/announcing_new_downloadable_content_plans_for_red_dead_redemption.article/
The Walking Dead at Comic Con - http://blogs.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/2010/07/the-walking-dead-at-comic-con.php/

(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod)

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 128 here!

It's been requested, so in this week's episode of Mail Order Zombie, Cemetery Man, aka Dellamorte Dellamore, gets its Headshot(s) review. And consider yourselves warned - there are some spoilers here (of course, the movie is over fifteen years old, so the statute of limitations on Spoiler Warnings may have expired!). Last month's Zombie Aptitude Test questions are reviewed, and we'e already started receiving answers for this month's ZAT (Undead Karaoke, baby!). Also, we got to talk with author Timothy W. Long (The Zombie Wilson Diaries and The Apocalypse and Satan's Glory Hole). Add a little Miss Bren and Need-a-Nickname Scott, and a Crypticon Seattle recording in which we talk about obscure zombie movies (and a brief meandering about Labyrinth in which Brother D mentions Jennifer Connelly and Miss Bren DOESN'T immediately slug him), and you've got Episode 128 of MOZ.

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World Record Zombie Walk - http://www.komonews.com/news/local/97770819.html
ZNet Central's coverage - http://znetcentral.podbean.com/2010/07/06/episode-7-the-seattle-zombie-walk/
Dread Central visits The Walking Dead - http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/38367/exclusive-the-walking-dead-set-visit-preview-oh-yes-there-will-be-blood
The Devil Wears Prada Announces Zombie EP - http://www.411mania.com/music/news/144471/The-Devil-Wears-Prada-Announces-Zombies-EP.htm
http://www.myspace.com/tdwp
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=142561
Dead Rising 2 Gets Cleared in Australia - http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/07/02/dead-rising-2-to-go-unedited-in-austrailia-because-the-zombies-look-like-zombies/
Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Zombies - http://kotaku.com/5579592/indiana-jones-disneyland-attraction-recreated-in-left-4-dead-2
Download - http://www.l4dmaps.com/details.php?file=6178

(Various production music produced by Kevin MacLeod)

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 126.5 here!

Brother D was a panelist at Crypticon Seattle 2010, and this is a recording from the ​ARRGH! Brains! panel, featuring Eric Pope, Mark Henry, Mark Rahner, S.G. Browne and Brother D

Download MOZ Presents: The Munchies 015 here!

From Norwescon 33, Julie McGalliard, Eric Morgret and Derek M. Koch explore how horror films from the past have influenced us today and whether or not this is a good thing, as well as talk about some of their favorite films from horror's last 100 years.

Download Mail Order Zombie: Episode 124.5 here!

Brother D was a panelist at Norwescon 33, and this is a recording from the panel "Zombies: How Do They Happen?" moderated by Brother D, and featuring Julie McGalliard and Mark Rahner.